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ok, now that TTR is gone, i can say more about it (without you are thinking i'm just trying to sell it )

compare to the actual (crazy) market prices, i dont think my ask was "too high"
nothing to hide : it leaves for 1900, and all in all i'm losing a bit to what it totaly cost to me on more than 1 year of play...
than only 863 were build, and mine was in very good state

but than, about the pin itself :
i understand we all have diff taste of course, and i hope you have played it enough to discover what it have to propose : not only the lightshow+music is more than nice, a real gimmick, but than from a player point of view, this is for sure one of the best sys11, as the layout+rules are made the way you really have to aim everything on the playfield :

3 left bank targets + 3 central bank targets to enable LOCK
shoot the left ramp to LOCK in the spaceship
the spinner goes to the upper lanes > enable bonus multiplicator than after the extra ball
when 2 balls are locked you need to shoot under the spaceship to start the multiball
in multiball : you have to shoot the bowl to maximize the transoprter at 1M before shooting the single target near the ramp, but not only, to collect the jackpot, you have to shoot again the 6 drops, but this time in order
... and i'm not talking about the skillshot, the left kickbak, the inlanes making the spinner value X2, and few others things

now than, i have to talk about few of the list above :

- BK2000 : always the same & easy patern if you just wanna makes points (all "players" know this), fantastic lighshow/sound, but than boring pinball
- earthshaker : which i like of course, but without the custom ROM its only "shoot the central ramp all day", another 1 shot only pinball
- funhouse (not sys11) : ok, very nice theme, but again for players its +/- a "3 shoots" only pin... sad

OK, this is personal, and you may not think as me of course
but considering all i've said above, how still think it's not as good as top loved sys11 pins !?

all this said friendly of course, have a good week-end all

Seems to me we have different opinions about a game

First of all, if only 863 were built, that means the game was already a dog when it was new. TAF sold +20k machines, because it was SO good. If there aren't many around, there weren't many sold, as nobody liked it. I will never understand the "only xxx were made so I *NEED* to have it".

Secondly, I don't buy games to play. I buy memories. Some are in my memories, others are not. TTR is in my memory because I once made a coffee table out of one, because otherwise it was unsellable. Thx to that sacrifice I still have plenty of parts laying around to fix my other sys11's, and I got my money back selling the boards. I must have pictures of it somewhere...

Sys11's don't have the deepest rulesets, but to me TTR is hitting 6 targets, lock a ball, multiball. You must always hit the same 6 targets, over and over. That's it. I don't call inlanes and spinners "features". The only cool thing is the ramp across the playfield, but that one is limped by the fact you can only shoot it in multiball.
The spaceship is just an enormous ball locking mechanism obscuring 1/4 of the playfield. The purpose of why it had to be so huge still riddles me 'till today. Eye candy I guess? To fill an otherwise empty game.

The game as a whole is fugly. There was apparently no inspiration at all and they just made something. Would I buy one, yes, because it is so strange in it's own way, but only if it's dirt cheap.

I'm glad you liked it and got a good price for it. Everybody's taste is different, we just have different ones

hmmm... lots of points i can contest here
but will not, and than we agree with your last sentence

PS : just 1 gameplay detail you've missed :
you can also shoot the transversal ramp when NOT in multiball (by shooting under the spaceship, else yes, thrue the left ramp the ball is diverted and came back directly in the right inlane), to also push the transporter to 1M and try to get it... advantage in multiball is that the PF is X2 when 2 balls on it, or X3 when 3 balls on it... and even more : you may think : than why not always just shooting it when in single ball ? because each time you reach 1M, it becomes more & more hard to get it, as the timer is shorter to maintain the points in the transporter

Uiteindelijk is dat allemaal compleet niet relevant hè Michel...

De markt kiest de waarde van een kast.

Zo vind ikzelf bvb een shadow veel beter dan een cactus canyon maar nochtans kost de cactus canyon wel 3 keer zoveel.
Dat wil dan niet zeggen dat ik voor mijn shadow de prijs voor een cactus canyon kan vragen, toch!?

Bingovit schreef: ↑

20 jul 2020, 17:24

De markt kiest de waarde van een kast.

ok Evert, i agree about that, that's surelly how it goes for 99% of the deals... but...

you're a player, so i'm (i dont think about Bart), we dont "analyze" pins as most of the lambda players (this is not pejorative), we have a different approach of a game, mainly based on code, and even more how its playing all in all (code+layout, including flow in some cases, or more stop & go in some others)

i know when a game is good, well equilibrated, and fun to play (again, from my player point of view)
but than i understand that a majority of people didnt feel the same

let's take again the BK2000 example : as you've said, the market makes the price, this pin is high on the list, wanted by most, and than expensive... now, do i personaly want this pin in my home ? never, absolutly never ! you know why already

in the end, it will remain as said before, we all have diff taste, and tanx God its nice as it (else it would be very boring)

(not sure what Bart think, may be we better continue talks in another & appropriate topic)

goedenavond iederen

Hier mag een slotje op.
Laatste plaats is ingevuld door een oude liefde van mij nl. de Black Rose.
Klopt niet qua display en klopt niet qua kopkast, maar er zijn ergere dingen in 't leven.
Thx all!!

Mag ik hier nog op inhaken met een vraag? Ik ben zelf ook dol op system 11 kasten.

Ik heb een aantal kasten waar ik telkens niet aan toe kom. Ben nog bezig een aantal klassieke auto's te restaureren, en de flippers blijven maar staan.

Ik heb een spelende Phantom of the Opera, maar kastje moet wel opgefrist worden...nieuwe rubbers e.d.
Iemand interesse in een ruil tegen een speelklare system 11 kast?
Eventueel nog een NBA Fastbreak. Doet niets. Moet ik nog naar kijken. Te duur ingekocht denk ik...wel met extra plastic set

En evt een oudere TriZone. Start nog niet helemaal goed op geloof ik. Alweer tijd geleden

Ik zou zeggen, maak voor elk van de kasten een eigen topic aan. Nu sneeuwt het wat onder.

Lijkt me dat die phantom zo een nieuwe eigenaar zal hebben.

Of steek er wat tijd of geld in om ze goed te (laten) maken.

Je hebt gelijk, ik kan de kasten deze winter beter tip top maken. Maar juist door dit topic van system 11 raakte ik enthousiast. Zou graag weer een RoadKings willen. Of een Tomcat..was ook leuk.... Of misschien een Bad Cats...nog nooit in levende lijve gezien

Dan denk ik dat je de phantom te ruil aan moet bieden. Bijvoorbeeld hier op het forum.

Er zijn vast genoeg liefhebbers voor die kast.

Alleen nu is dat niet een eigen topic. Maak er gewoon een aan. Foto's er bij enzovoort

Wijze woorden.
Slotje graag dus!