Wired the money this morning to MoP. No risk, no fun... but I would be more than happy and credibility would be enhanced if I get a confirmation that the money arrived at CGC and that 2 black MMR LE's are traceable to that amount

Patrick

Waiting for a rectified invoice and will wire money upon receipt of it.

After 4 weeks of no constructive communication from MoP to solve this problem, except that "his lawyer and accountant are working on a solution", I lodged today our complaint concerning 4 MMR LE's at the Luxembourgian office of the European Consumer Center Network, ECC-Net ( http://ec.euro...

It would be great if MoP would come out with a proposal... The conclusions I got from the European Consumer Center (ECC) is that he has to deliver at the price marked on the 2013 invoice as there were no other terms & conditions marked. They forwarded already complaints from Sweden and Germany t...

- Pinball Heaven is PPS's official distributor for the UK. I doubt that they will sell to MoP's "chasse gardée", continental Europe.
- The link on marktplaats.nl could be a grey import coming from I don't know where...

Name Server of the first web site (185.35.138.51) leads to a known Scam Cargo Website (SDA-Group, http://www.sda-group.eu/) which uses the same graphics than that http://www.dpd-cargo.eu/ website.

This, and the formulation of the email, makes that this deal is in my opinion 99,99% a scam.

Patrick

Weet iemand of het mogelijk is om elders (buiten MoP) een MMRLE of MMR te bestellen in europa en tegen welke prijs? Ik las dat Fraddy al wel MMRLE's geleverd heeft maar op de website staat er niets van. No, I had a longer email exchange with Rick on this matter. There is not and there won't be in t...

As of today:
* Tracks & Travellers: Family Guy (1€ / 1 game)

Unless you want to become a distributor yourself and think you can do better, I don't see what all this information is relevant here and would lead to a solution from MoP/PPS ? Perhaps to shed some light on the holy grail "shipping costs" which could be a factor to find a solution to the ...

If you transport 1 pinball, you will have to pay much more, mostly due to insurance. Don't know what is the insurance for 1 pin, but a container worth 200.000$ will be insured at 110% of that value and KUEHNE&NAGEL asks 480€ + VAT for the whole shipment. This said, I find that shipping costs ...

Hi Cenobyte,

You are right. This is only an exercise to back up with hard facts my calculations from last week concerning my statement about MoP and MMR selling prices.

Reisje is wel veel duurder dan jouw opgegeven 200 ... er moet een factory conversion ingebouwd voor de Europese modellen dus + 300 dollar ... duty taxes moet je wel betalen bij import van een flipper ... Hi Daniel, as I was curious about shipping costs, I asked a quote at a reputed German shipping ...

According to Rick from PPS, games are either build 110V or 230V, no extra board to put in the MMR LE's, no extra cost. According to TARIC http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/dds2/taric/measures.jsp?Lang=en&Area=&Taric=9504302000 , no import duty on pinball machines. Only 21% VAT in NL or B....

That's not very consistent: MOP can sell for 7500 and you say he can still make money, while other parties sell for 8000 and make a loss?? No Cenobyte, I wrote "sell for 7500€ without doing a big loss". For the rest it is very easy... as MoP did get the distributor monopoly for Europe, ...

De klant die dit topic starte wil echter zelf ook een deel van de kosten dragen. Hij krijgt op zijn vraag zelfs niet eens een antwoord! "That's what I proposed Bertjan, split the price increase up (1/3 for MoP, 1/3 for PPS, 1/3 for the customer). Did not get an answer..." Yep, that was me...

Voor zover ik begrepen heb heeft niemand die ik ken op dit moment enige mail van MOP gekregen. Deze hele discussie is gebaseerd op 1 post van een Luxemburger die niemand hier kent. Jumpen we hier dan niet wat rap to conclusions? Zou het niet beter zijn af te wachten wat MOP officieel laat weten, vo...

Sorry, I only give back what I am told by PPS. Please see their Homepage with their official game distributors for continental Europe: http://www.planetarypinball.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=Resellers Could you please give me an Address of the company you mentioned? Google was not my friend when I s...

@ Cenobyte: sorry, but my mother tongue is neither dutch nor english. It is difficult for me to do conversation with him on the phone. As it is for all his other european customers. Thats why we use electronic messaging. He does not reply to emails, not to Messenger mails, etc. And it is difficult f...

Voor zover ik begrepen heb heeft niemand die ik ken op dit moment enige mail van MOP gekregen. Deze hele discussie is gebaseerd op 1 post van een Luxemburger die niemand hier kent. Jumpen we hier dan niet wat rap to conclusions? Zou het niet beter zijn af te wachten wat MOP officieel laat weten, vo...

Lets do a hypotetical calculation: - retail sale price MMR in the US: 7995 $ - let's say the dealers margin is 20% in the US: 1599 $ ==> wholesale price: 6394 $ .... let's say 6500 $ shipping costs ? let's assume 500 $ per pin MoP buys the MMR for 6500 $, ships them to Europe, has invested 7000$ per...

Sorry to continue to ask... but did no belgian or dutch customer get an email from Bertjan???

Zou mooi zijn als ze kunnen middelen en elk een deel van het onvoorziene verlies nemen.

That's what I proposed Bertjan, split the price increase up (1/3 for MoP, 1/3 for PPS, 1/3 for the customer). Did not get an answer...

In what way where you informed that there was a exchange rate risk, and that it was you're responsibility.

Customers were not informed at all. Someday in 2014 that appeared online in his terms&conditions.

Sad story...

But aren't there any belgian or dutch customers who have the same problem?

Hello, Yes, I read the agreements .... which were altered in 2014 when the devaluation € to $ kicked in after we bought (2013) and antedated yesterday to 2012 (screenshots available). The invoice we have is in € and about the total sum, not only the amount of the advance payment and it does not ...

Dear Pinball Lovers from Belgium, Please forgive me to not write in Flams or Dutch, but I can only read these languages :| Are there any people in this Forum who ordered an MMR from Ministry of Pinball in 2013 and who got yesterday a "nice" email from Bertjan that they have to pay way more...